Table Tennis Forehand Topspin Tutorial


Welcome to EmRatThich channel. Today is the Sunday 18th December 2016, our
second Ping Sunday. I will talk about “How to Loop correctly
with the Chinese technique”. I’ve visited some table tennis club in France
and Canada. The coach in these clubs doesn’t know to
teach the loop technique correctly. There are players that can’t loop correctly,
consistently even after 2 years of training. The player is ambitious enough to train hard,
but the coach didn’t teach a good technique. I pity to the player. I want to help you to loop / power loop with
the chinese technique. But firstly, I will answer some of your questions. Jean Carlos has asked me. “I’m a modern defensive player. My equipment is DHS Hurricane 3 for the FH,
and the Long pimple TSP Curl p-1r for the BH. Can you tell some tips? Here is my video.” Yes. I will give you a very good tip for a modern
defensive player. When I give someone tips, I want that the
tips should be as simple as possible. As normally, the best tips are the simple
tips. For your Backhand chop, you contact the ball
too high. So your ball is too high and can be easily
attacked. You should wait for the ball to drop lower
and then chop the ball. Now you can add more spin to your chop, and
your returned ball is lower, it’s now harder to loop kill your ball. Your timing is not correct. You hit the ball too high, you should wait
for the ball to drop at your hip or lower, and then chop it. Look at the way how Joo Sae Hyuk chops the
ball, very low. As you are the defender. You have time, don’t rush. Try to be as consistent as possible. Less error. Wait for the ball. If you chop too high, it’s difficult to chop
the ball in the table. As many other players, you don’t “fix the
position of the ball”. You don’t know where you will hit the ball. You hit too soon. “Wait for the ball, fix the position when
you hit the ball”. This is the Tips number 4 in my previous video. For your FH, you have the same problem of
timing. Just wait more a half of second, and loop
the ball. Now, your ball’s quality is much higher: more
spin, and more consistency, less error. Also, when you loop the ball. Don’t loop in front of your body. Always loop at the side of the body: more
power and less error. So take time, wait for the ball, fix the position
where you will hit the ball. These tips will increase your shot’s quality. Shintaro Okamoto has commented about: Tenergy
is not the Tensor rubber. Yes, you are right and I know that. Tenergy is High Tension rubber which is different
from the TENSOR rubber of Germany factory. But for simplicity, I put Tenergy next to
the Tensor as everybody uses “tensor rubber” as the keyword search. Lorrenzo asked me to give him a good equipment combo
to stick for a long time. Trookers want to be the best amateur player
and asked me for a good Allround blade. Tamca carbon blade is too fast for him and
he is very happy with the allround blade as the speed is perfect for him. Liem Nguyen shared his story about Chinese
equipment. He changed from PG7 to a faster blade Yinhe
pro. But he found a problem of looping close to
the table. Fast blade does not fit well with chinese
rubber. Stick with a good looping blade. Liem Nguyen also asked for a durable BH rubber. I proposed him the Rakza and the Target Force
rubber. Mm S asked for a hard, direct feeling of chinese
rubber for his powerful FH. I proposed him to buy a cheap chinese rubber
from LKT or 729. DHS rubbers varies from patch to patch, and
have less “old feeling” of chinese rubber. How to loop / loop kill with the Chinese technique? Normally, we are taught in table tennis club
to loop the ball by the “old” technique. That means: turn the forearm back, rotate
around the elbow, follow through above the eyes, like a military salute. So the elbow is the main source of force by
folding the forearm. However, this old technique has 3 disadvantages:
1. By using the elbow as your rotation axis,
you can only loop the ball when the ball is high. You must close the racket to compensate the
high ball. Therefore, you cannot add many spin to the
loop. 2. The force from the elbow and the forearm is
not strong compared to the hip. So it’s difficult to loop kill the ball. If you hit hard and the ball is still high,
the ball will mostly go out of the table. 3. This old technique doesn’t incorporate the
lower part of the body but just focus on the elbow. After the loop, you don’t know how to move
correctly, and then less stable, less consistent in your next shot. The chinese technique is different. The elbow and the forearm should be relax. The main rotation axis is not the elbow, but
it’s your hip. You should drop the racket very low, and use
your hip to generate the power. This way you can contact the ball very low. You can also loop kill the ball as you don’t
need to close your racket. The chinese philosophy about the loop is not
“how fast you fold your forearm”. But Chinese coaches emphasize on “how well
you do the weight transfer”. During the loop, you should transfer your
weight from right leg to left leg. This will adds the power and increases the
quality of your shot. Chinese philosophy concentrates on the lower
part of your body. Do you remember my tips in my previous video:
“Use the leg to hit the ball”. That’s your leg will hit the ball, your forearm
is only a tool to transfer this force. By focusing on your legs, you can move faster,
you are well prepared for your next shot. That’s the main reason why Chinese player
always win in the loop – counter loop situation. As they know how to move efficiently and how
to add power to the loop. By seeing this slow motion of Ma Long’s loop,
you can see that Ma Long mainly used his hip to loop, his elbow and his forearm is very
close to the body, and he didn’t rotate his elbow any more. This is the reason why the FH of Ma Long is
the best of the world. As turning, rotating with your hip is much
faster and stronger than folding your forearm around the elbow. This is the way how Chinese players loop kill
the ball. Drop the racket as low as possible. Move with your legs. Hit the ball at a very low position. Do weight transfer to loop kill the ball. Rotate your hip to hit the ball. This way your ball is very low and very fast. Don’t focus on your elbow, focus on your hip
as a main force axis. Liu Guoliang is teaching Xu Xin how to loop
kill the ball. He asks Xu Xin to loop a very low and short
ball. It’s a very difficult technique. Xu Xin is amazed by Liu Guoliang’s technique. “Who is your daddy?” 🙂
You can see that Liu Guoliang can easily loop the low ball as he contacts the ball very
low and use his lower part to generate the power. In fact, there is no “good” or “bad” technique
as table tennis techniques progress. If your techniques work for you, it’s your
good technique. However, if Chinese techniques give you many
more advantages, it’s time for you to change your technique. Why not? That’s it for today. Hope you enjoy table tennis with coach EmRatThich. The next sunday is 25 December 2016, it’s
Christmas ! I wish you a very best Christmas with your family !
See you, coach EmRatThich CREDITS
Author: EmRatThich This video uses the footage of Stiga, Viszpi,
TTLondon2012, ppStation and Calcutta75 SEE YOU NEXT SUNDAY !
CHRISTMAS 25/12/2016 SUBSCRIBE FOR NEXT PING SUNDAY !

100 thoughts on “Table Tennis Forehand Topspin Tutorial

  1. 2 questions about the video of coach Liu: What is he showing the other player about opening his racquet? Is he showing him not to do that on his loop, or is he correcting his mistake? Also, I was told to loop the underspin ball at the top of the bounce. You are saying it's better to let it drop? Is that what Liu is doing in this video? Thanks for all your videos!

  2. Hello Emratthich . I'm a loop kill player with chinese rubber. My current set up is Dr Neubauer World Champion with Yinhe Big Dipper on FH. It's so fast to me . The ball coming out from the table . Can you recomend best choice chinese tacky rubber for my forehand ? Thx and sorry for bad English

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    lookat ur video cover photo,why u diss China?diss Chinese?

  4. Thanks for explaining Chinese Techniques. After following the technique in the video, i can say for sure my recovery time is better. Earlier I was always worried about spin in opponent topspin and what angle I should return the ball. But now mostly with same angle i can able to play most of the shots. Highly Appreciate.

  5. Could you make the backhand version of this video. Also Please talk about the fifth ball… I mean when you attack the third ball with heavy topspin and your opponent touch blocks the ball. What is the best way to do against those types of balls? Thank you

  6. Sie sie Coach .. I'm use Yasaka Mark V AD 2.2 mm for both side with yu guan frame since you explain the power from the ground and this video my loop better now .

  7. Thank you for your amazing videos, they're full of knowledge and coolness xD
    I Wish you a very very good Christmas with your family (stolen haha) !
    Thank You
    -Gabriel

  8. Hello i have some questions for you i will explain everything. When i started to play i was about 8 years old . My first racket was some Andro blade with some Andro rubbers. When i was 12 i started to train 2 – 3 times daily. I had blade Timo Boll Off- and it was perfect for me with Tenergy 05. After a year i started play higher leagues and the blade was too slow for me and i wanted faster blade , but this blade had everything what i needed most beautiful was the spin with Tenergy 05 it has big spin and it was beautiful on backhand shots and in controll. So after a good year i was finding similar but faster blade so i bought Timo Boll W5 with T05 and it was horrible no spin just big vibrations and speed on forehand but uncontrollable on backhand. I was dissatisfied so i changed this blade for Timo Boll ALC with T05 it didn't have vibrations but it wasn't had the spin which i want. It had smaller spin . Forehand was ok but the same uncontollable backhand. Now im playing with it and i don't know which blade i have to use with T05 which can be simillar to Timo Boll Off- but faster and better feeling. Can u give me some your opinions? My style is dominating attacking player close to the table both sides but FH is my stronger side.

  9. I recently discovered your channel and I love it. But I have one question about this video. You say that in order to loop strongly you have to get your racket as low as possible, but if I do not use chinese rubbers and for example use MXP, the ball will go up higher due to difference in throw angle so to compensate for that should't my hand be higher as well? Because other wise the ball will just go out of the table. Or there is something that I do not understand correctly?

  10. hi EmRatThich, i admire your videos very much. I want your suggestion on my alternate blade. I use DHS Hurricane H-WL with DHS hurricane 3 neo in forehand and 729 Battle 2 in backhand. this combination works just well for me. now i want a spare blade but H-WL is not available. Can you suggest me which blade matches with the characteristics of H-WL most? I am thinking of DHS PG13, Yinhe T-11+, PG7,PG9, GT9, YINHE T-10 etc. But dont know which is more similar to H-WL with speed, weight, hardness and feeling….Can you please help me in sort this out…??

  11. If you could clarify, please. To me, in the example starting at 12:51 the coach appears to be still rotating around his elbow on the follow through. Yes, he is making a weight transfer as he starts his swing, but he points at the inside of his elbow, and folds it on the way through. I guess I need clarification on what "rotating around the elbow " means. Also, does the coach start out his swing with a fairly open face angle (paddle is almost vertical at the start and at impact), and then he appears to close the angle as he follows through (by rotating his forearm). Is this accurate? Thanks.

  12. And in the examples of Ma Long, he is clearly folding his elbow on the follow through. So, perhaps, as I mentioned before, a further explanation of what the role of the elbow does during the swing would be great!

  13. sir i have one question.. my set up blade was pg7 for forehand i used tg3 neo for backhand donic bluefire m3. is this set up ok?

  14. thanks for showing a very effective technique my forehand loop is very unstoppable when I played with my classmates and merry christmas

  15. I'm sorry but I gave you a downvote. You speak with much confidence but what you say in the video isn't correct at all. For example, LGL doesn't use his lower body at the end of the video… just put 15:17 for example on slow motion (x0.25) and you'll see he uses his hand/shoulder to hit the ball. It is true that Ma Long doesn't use his elbow at 13:15, because he's returning top spinned balls, so he doesn't uses his elbow much. But at 13:54 (pause the video before he takes his shots) you can clearly see he uses his elbow, making it straight before each shot and using his whole body (unlike LGL who uses mainly his shoulder/hand) to make the shots, he straightens his hand at the elbow and flexes it as he's turning from the hip. This is different from 13:15 because at 13:15 he's returning top spins and here chopped balls, so he has to put more top spin.

    The correct way to make a topspin is to use both your hips and your elbow. It's a chain of energy. You use your whole body.

  16. I am just wondering why we think Chinese players have better technique than European player. I assume Chinese have lots of player to choose from and that is the reason they are dominating this sport. if you look at Swedish player for example they are from a country with much less population and obviously less competitive players but still they can compete with Chinese. to cut it short, TT is very popular game in China and there are lots of top player in China that is why they look like they have better technique, if you look back a few years ago most of Chinese player they would be playing Pen-Hold grip and during last a couple of years they adopted European style, Shakehand grip, backhand dominant style and so on.

  17. I use the long pimples on my backhand, but use them mainly to set up my forehand attack. Can you pls tell me some drills to help improve my attack?

  18. I'm a modern type forehand looping and backhand attacking penholder.I use reverse backhand and I use rakza x and for the forehand I use yinhe moon max tense.I'm using a dhs pg13 blade.Can you suggest me a stiga blade which can give a good feeling which is available for penholder.Please note that I'm an amature player and I'm playing forehand dominating style.
    Wish you a merry Christmas.

    I have another request.Please upload videos for penholders.

  19. Hi my playing style looping and all around I have 2 blades 1st one is stiga infinity vps weight is 90g and stiga rosewood xo. I'm currently using my infinity vps and loved it's good control. Can the stiga rosewood xo replace my infinity vps in terms of looping all around game and also on the speed since rw xo is stiffer?

  20. when I tried looping the Chinese style with evolution rubber, the shots looked lower, flatter, and faster, but my opponent said there wasn't much spin. if I use a harder sponge Chinese rubber, does that add more spin and arc on the ball?

  21. hello coach my age is 18 and i have recently start playing table tennis many people are telling me it s pointless because i started at an old age . what do you think ? can you give me advice on how to improve fast ? thank you

  22. Hello. Congratulations for your video. I understand the differents loop much better. I would like to ask you how you do if the ball is coming high?
    thanks for your attention and help
    Juan

  23. What do you mean when you say Ma Long "does not rotate his elbow anymore" . What does this mean. He is also folding his elbow and snapping his forearm. Yes, he is using his body, but the arm and elbow are involved. Can you explain this further or post a video on this? It is confusing. Thanks.

  24. Great video!

    I would like to offer a quick English tip: I have noticed in several of these videos that you pronounce the word low incorrectly. Even though it looks like it should rhyme with cow or plough, it actually rhymes with go and throw. I don't know why. English has a long history of changing based on historical events, so now has many "exceptions to the rules".

    Thank you for making these great videos! Now it is time for me to practice your tips 🙂

  25. Good day EmRatThich!
    I watched all your table tennis video and I improved significantly within just weeks of training. However, I just want to improve more my looping.

    How can I loop kill a very low top spin and under spin ball?
    Can I loop kill a slow off the table ball with no spin?

    Can I do that with this set up?
    Blade: Yinhe T10+ Balsa Carbon
    FH: H3neo
    BH: TG2neo

    Which should I use between the two for looping?

  26. Hello. I've been a great fan of your vids recently. Can I ask you a question about equipment? I'm a lower intermediate player playing mostly by backhand backspin, block and backhand topspin. I have a blade gewo balsa with carbon. Forehand rubber acuda s2 max 2.1 and backhand new rubber donic bluefire m2 1.8. After reading many articles and watching your film about choosing rubbers and blade I want to buy blade Timo Boll spirit for backhand I want to buy rakza 7 2.0 and for forehand I want to leave my bluefire M2 1.8. Which I used previously for backhand. Is this a good combination?

  27. in this video you said we must stroke when the ball lower but previous video you said we must stroke when the ball at top. So which one is true

  28. Dear coach Emratthick, please make some video guides for penholders, especially for backhand technique. thanks

  29. Howdy coach. I am an amateur penholder and currently practicing my RPB. What is the best rubber to my playstyle and blade? I want to be an all around player with stable attack power, FH and BH, as well increase my blocking. Is this possible? So what is the best set up for me as I am aiming to be the best amatuer player. Thank you.

  30. Good Video, very well explained and i'm get a good idea to increase power and speed, but you show in your videos very old european technics. I'm teaching the kids use body and that's what in germany have to teach. However, there are scientific studies in europe , that the forarm, ellbow and wrist made 75% of the speed (they measured it). But i tried your way with a fixed ellbow and power and spin from the hip and i am totally convinced with your method. Feel better and more stable for me. Thanks for that and hope you show more from chinese technics.

  31. Why does someone choose to become a defender when there is no world champion who is a defender (not in my knowledge). Ma Long, Fan Zhendong, Jhang Zike, Timo Boll, Dmitri are all attackers.

  32. I started playing again after a gap and noticed that my FH topspin and FH loop, both are going out of the table. While trying to analyze my strokes, I feel either there is more speed/force generated which is putting the ball off the table or cud be something which I may not be aware. If u cud give any guidance/tips, wud be helpful. Also my FH is quiet strong, any suggestions for good racket paddle and rubbers for FH & BH. Wud like to have good spin & control. Thanks.

  33. Can you help me have my first custom racket 'cause I just started few years ago. I am an offensive player and I need advices.

    here's what I am thinking of the parts
    blade – friendship 729 8030
    forehand rubber – dhs neo h3
    backhand rubber – friendship 729 focus 3 snipe

    can you give me suggestions?

  34. I bought dhs g888 rubber and dhs hurricane 2 rubber
    which one should I use for forehand and which one should I use for backhand?

  35. Can't wait to try it out. This is the best coaching I have seen. Thnx a lot for sharing your coaching

  36. Ma Long relax arm when loop. Use body and legs for acceleration. Very difficult technique. It is for professional player. If you understand the technique, then you can learn.You can not lose a single detail. Pay attention to the shoulder and wrist. This forehand technique allows you to very quickly perform a powerful top spin.

  37. Wow! You are too good in explaining the Chinese techniques, I thank U for all the time and efforts you put in to help us improve our game in Table Tennis.

  38. Hye emrathich,i use tibhar tacky power for my FH and i use 729 friendship sky wing for my backhand and my blade si 729 friendship super carbon. I cant spin my ball because the ball fly off my rubber too fast and i cant control the ball. By any chance, can you recommend me a good rubber for my fast blade? Thank you.

  39. hi coach! Can you suggest a setup for me. I live in pakistan and dont get genuine rubbers (according to me). I like to attack on the forehand when possible and chop during most of the rally but against topspin i use blocks more. and against a flawed chop i tend to attack.
    I am currently using
    yinhe n5
    with
    sanwei taregt FH
    and rakza 7 soft BH
    Looking forward to your reply as i am in dire need of changing my setup.

  40. I'm confused. Your videos mention we should be using harder tackier rubber even for the backhand but I see in your video comments 7:45 that you have suggested Rakza 7 (which is soft rubber) for someone. Can you please clarify?

  41. hi coach emt you are doing a good job in your videos I am an offensive attacking player but somehow I cannot smash on backhand chops which is my weakness also I have a premade bat of mark v and I am thinking of upgrading to a custom bat I also think that I need more spin on my serves I was thinking of tenergy 80 on backhand but what forehand rubber and wood should I use I also have a short height thanks please reply it will really help me

  42. hi emrat table tennis coach my name is danny i am 13 years old and i play in division 6 of my local league i am using butterfly bryse both FH and BF i like it on my BH but i dontl like it on my FH any good FH rubber suggests

  43. If you saw a few of these videos and you have had enough coaching before you 'd know the real value of these lessons. However, if you are a veteran player 35+ and played using your own adapted way correcting chops would be a very slow and painful, somtimes very expensive way to improve. Lets not forget TT is an athletic discipline!! The coach here does't know who you are! His info is wide for everybody(any level) to grab. I think it is wise to take what you can use in a game, unless you just like to practice and look pretty:) hey nothing wrong with that(looping away from the table 5-6-10 times is very impresive!!!) But if you 'd like to improve your game check out coaches tacktical and timing videos. Most importantly don't hurt yourseves! Warm up before each practice:)) and don't argue here and criticize unless you are a high level player which you are not!!!! You wouldn't be here right??:)

  44. Next time please put the tutorial at the start rather than making us wait 8 minutes as the tutorial is what we are coming for. Put the questions and answers in a whole new video or at the end. Thanks

  45. U are a much more better coach than mine in school… I improve with ur tips, not his… And another good national player from Philippines i think?? Hes here but he is always training the seniors not us… Ugh
    Can someone recommended me a good offensive rubber for penhold?

  46. Hi. I cannot looping and topspin when the player chopping. I am using Xiom vega tour blade with both side tenergy 05 2.1. Should i change my equipment? I didn't go to training it means i have no teacher. But i really love playing table tennis. Now i'm 26 years old so maybe it's too late to go table tennis training but i need to know how to play. Anyway thank you so much for the videos i learnt many things from you.

  47. When you say — Look at the player xyz it is sometimes helpful to point who which one of the players is the said player though usually it is the one closer to the camera but is not always the case.

  48. Hi! , i started playing for about a year ago and lately ive gotten into a tournament but, im vert nervous that i cant play like usual. do you have any tips for this kind of problem? thanks.

  49. Coach i am felling to come at your home and give you lots of gifts because you give us such great tt videos for free

  50. Dear EmRatThich, I am classic defender. Proportion of my game is 80% defence and 20% attack. My equipment is blade – Butterfly Defence Alpha, FH -Tackiness C 1.5 mm BH – Yinhe Neptune OX.
    Here is few of my videos
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r29oOaXJ1k
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9eoBUhnYiY

    I never had a coach. I learned how to play with my elder brother. Please tell me how could I improove my defence, and my game at all?

  51. Hi can you please give me a good racquet because my parents dont allow me to buy one for me please im very fond of tabletennis so plz send me

  52. Hello Sir,
    I have been watching your videos for few days and its really amazing, it gives me confidence on my game by watching your videos.. I just need your help to suggest me a good equipment for my game

    1) I'm good at forehand topspin but since I'm using basic GKI KUNGFU rubber I feel difficult all the time.. My seniors suggest me to use TENERGY RUBBER

    2) I used to chop well in backhand, and sometimes I play a descent looping too..

    So can I use

    TIMOBALL ALC-FL BLADE
    TENERGY FOR FOREHAND
    can you suggest anything for backhand which gives 60% defense & 40% spin Sir. Please

  53. its a pity that most TT coaches even do not have the least knowledge about rubbers and blades!so the players should have trial and error to get the most proper ones!they need to investigate by themselves on the network to search websites which give the information!

  54. Hi coach I am Naresh I am favorite to attack in forehand but some days I cannot hit the ball I know the reason I grown up and I need to hit What can I do sir you give me tip

  55. Hi! I'm a beginner player. I used a very bad blade and rubbers, for 6 years. Lately I've been using Butterfly Allround with Flextra rubbers. It seems fine but i like looping game, I'm also in good shape so i can generate speed by hitting hard, however on the BH this is more difficult. After watching you'r videos, I'm thinking to change to Huricane 3 on the Fore Hand and Huricane 3 NEO on on the Back Hand, with Stiga Allround Classic. Do you think this setup is ok? Or do you have a better suggestion? Thanks! 🙂

  56. I am senior and play at city club : most just want to have good times but no practice . Some will give advices , long talking ….., but the best is imitation : no talk / Practice ! I always try to remember and practice EmRat tips even the points are counting …who cares for the points if there is no progress …mentally i dont care for the points . Is that right Coach ?

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