Fault Serve is Umpire Subjective!

Welcome back to PingSunday, the best place
to learn table tennis. Let’s talk about a “Fault” (not Faut) serve
or Good Serve? What is the legal serve? And some ridiculous umpire decision? How to communicate with the umpire? Understand their gestures. In general, the ITTF umpires don’t talk much,
or they don’t know how to talk, to explain to the players. Or maybe they don’t like speaking, I think. So you need to learn the umpire signal, the
code. It’s not difficult. It’s easy! You need to learn just 8 simple signals. But firstly, let’s see some showcase. The viewers are angry. Players seem to be disturbed. The umpire is isolated. No one is happy in this situation. And the communication between the umpire and
the players is minimized. You can see that the match is destroyed! And the show is destroyed by a simple stupid
serve rule. Before analyzing this example, I want to say. I’m also a table tennis umpire in France. I’m not a random guy, and I understand well
the table tennis rules. It’s not too complicated to become an umpire
in table tennis. Here is my material case. A net height check ruler, and also a rubber
thickness checker. A yellow card. I’m a member of UNATT (National Union of Table
Tennis Referee). A red card. And a white card. A coin. Another gauge. And a “muchoir” to clean the table. Let’s see who is right. The umpire said “Let”, and explained by his
gesture. OK, so what does this mean? In general, there are about 8 gestures of
the umpire that you should know. I’ve explained all of this on pingsunday,
just search “table tennis serving rule pingsunday” to find it. Here you are, the 8 simples gestures of
an umpire: So what does this umpire wants to say. He means “Fault number 7. Please throw the ball near vertical”. Are you kidding me? Mr. Umpire? The serve of Liángjìngkūn is completely
clean. He threw the ball near vertical, high enough,
outside the table, and no hidden serve. So what is the problem here? This one is the same. No problem with this serve. Very clear and clean. You need to check your eye Mr. umpire. Liángjìngkūn performed the pendulum serve
near the middle of the table. This serving style is very similar to Timo
Boll. And both Timo Boll, and Liángjìngkūn have
one of the cleanest serves on the international circuit. So in my opinion, there are 2 big problems
for the current ITTF umpire. 1) The role of an umpire or a referee is to
maintain the match in the fluid order. So that the players can play without disruption
and the viewers could enjoy the match. This the main role of an umpire: Is to keep
the match in a normal way. But their role is not to teach the player
“how to serve”. You know, the rule, the theory is always something
I say “grey”. Something like “near vertical”, “high enough”,
so it’s all estimation. It’s very subjective. So it depends on the umpire. We don’t have an exact measurement. So the umpire should be flexible. For example, this case, look at this serve
of Ovtcharov. Is it near vertical? I’m not sure, it’s on the borderline. But why we should interrupt this point. Because even he threw the ball not very vertical,
it does not disturb the opponent. If the opponent doesn’t complain, they can
read very well the serve. Then the umpire should not interrupt the game. It’s disgusting for the viewers. 2) the quality of the umpire is very low. They are mostly old, and mostly the “amateur”
players. They know the rule of the serve, but they
don’t know how to serve. So how can they be a referee to catch the
pro’s serving fault? I’m sure! Give them a racket, and a ball. Like this case, you will see. Disclaimer: I respect every table tennis umpire. But I just want to say the current state of
the umpire. There is still something to improve. I hope we can do better, for the image of
table tennis.

37 thoughts on “Fault Serve is Umpire Subjective!

  1. Chen Weixing is a good player, he should be respected and I faced the same problem while playing in the nationals for the first time, a long time ago.

  2. Hi Emratthich
    Just like to thank you for all these videos
    It has really upped my game and made me a formiddable force so thank you?

  3. Mr EmRatThich NONE of these services are a vertical throw, for example on 3rd fault is the worst, in fact sooo bad that the hand is positioned at the table center line but the ball has such a non-vertical arch that the contact is finally made almost to the corner of the table. these are illegal serves. Period.

  4. I want ask to ask you a question coach please , is it illegal that the ball is served out of the side line of the table?

  5. It is borderline. Coach. But as an Umpire, Liang's serve would be a fault not for the toss, but the paddle struck the ball well inside the table. So the fault was given correctly, but just the wrong signal that's all.

  6. Hi EmRatTich, I saw that match between LJK and FZD and was really bad the umpire's attitude even I could tell you that was decisive to make LJK lost the concentration and the match …but I saw this kind of umpires actions since China Open when the referees started to push the player to play fast and many times the players took only a few seconds to define which strategie would make in the next point…I know that the rules are the rules and the player should follow them but the rules have a "spirit" of justice and if the player is not taking adventage and is not going against them deliverately the Umpire should be like a ghost…and nobody realize that is there….the referee cannot be more important than the players..

  7. IMO – its sad to see only some umpires strictly follow this rule and call out accordingly. I've not seen an umpire calling out faulty serves by Par gerell or Maharu Yoshimura or Marcos Freitas and many other players young/experienced. Its surprising to to see the umpire faulted Liang Jingkun although he is not hiding. Either ITTF need to enforce this rule globally and make it a standard or dismiss it completely so the audience can watch an uninterrupted game-play.

  8. i think the backhand serve of Chen Weixing it´s more "illegal" than the forehand serve. The toss of the serve it´s very nice and he dont hide the ball.

  9. The only thing professional about these umpires are their dressing code. The problem lies with ITTF. The umpires do not get paid. They only get hotel accommodations, not even plane tickets. Just like the NFL referees in years past, the quality remain poor until they get better paid and work full time. Make the umpires full time with a salary and let them do the important matches.

  10. 5:00 still have wrong serve, coz liang serve very close with body make to hidden ball , compare timo boll , zhendong n ma long no hidden n close body serve , n ball fall very near close with body liang

  11. Hi EmRatThich Coach, I think Chen Weixing serve is perfectly clean and clear. These kind of umpires ruin the games lot of times. Even Liang Jingkun serve is clean. Dimitrij serve is little controversial as he throws really high, it goes more sideways.

  12. These umpires (besides being dinosaurs) are a shame for the sport. With their last rales of life they try to reach more notoriety than the players. They are abject and pusillanimous and – personally – in those specific cases I would file a criminal complaint against them and force them to pay compensation.

  13. I want you to talk about doing a good service please I always miss the ball after tossing the ball this is my main problem in serving plus lack of spin when serving?????

  14. Hi EmRatThich! I'd like to know is Revolution 3 glue legal by ITTF. And does it give more speed and spin? Should I use that glue (with Tenergy)?

  15. Nothing justifies that a player becomes an impertinent scumbag in the middle of a tournament against a referee, people are understood as speaking, and how intelligent it is to control their impulses enervated by adrenaline …
    By the way, I'm a table tennis player at 57, and I was also a referee in the 80's

  16. Nada justifica que un jugador se vuelva un impertinente patán en pleno torneo contra un árbitro, hablando se entiende la gente, y de inteligentes es controlar sus impulsos enervados por la adrenalina…
    Por cierto, yo soy jugador de tenis de mesa a mis 57 años, y también fuí árbitro en los 80's

  17. 沒有人能證明一名球員在與裁判的比賽中變得無禮,人們被理解,控制腎上腺素使他們緊張的衝動是多麼聰明…順便說一句,我是57歲的乒乓球運動員 年,我也是80年代的裁判

  18. In particular the US umpires were noticeably bad in years past. Many years ago I flew to Atlanta to watch a World Team Cup tournament, which drew all the top players from different countries. Afterwards I bumped into an umpire from Hong Kong, the place where I grew up. We started talking and she told me she heard a US umpire snickering about giving Deng Yaping a yellow card, seemingly bragging about drawing the attention. According to her, it was not uncommon at all.

  19. Possibly, it's not fault no. 7. But it is not clean, either. The throwing arm is not removed as it should be. Instead, the throwing arm is moved upwards with the ball rather than instantly removed after having thrown the ball. This is a defined rule. There are serving rules, that have to be applied, even if it doesn't disturb the opponent, so this is not a valid criterion. I estimate, that 70 or 80 percent of serves in international competitions are faulty, but "let go" as correct, because there is just no "tradition" to declare them as faulty. So, faulty serves are considered correct in the public opinion and this leads to the problems, we see here. Take the Butterfly Apolonia Serve Tutorial video. It promotes a service, that breaks several serving rules at once. Personally, I'm completely fine with pursuing wrong serves. Hopefully, in the end, players use serves, that are correct, even if it may be a tough lesson to learn and leads to disadvantaging the serving player.

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